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Whether the proposed school bond would help increase student performance was among the issues residents heard arguments for and against Sunday afternoon at an issue forum hosted by Citizens for a Fair Ferndale.
About 25 people showed up for the event, where representatives of a pro-school bond group as well as an opposing viewpoint addressed written questions in a discussion led by a moderator at the Ferndale Public Library.
The $22.825 million bond was studied over the summer. It includes infrastructure updates such as asbestos removal from Ferndale High School, heating and cooling systems for buildings and a kitchen area for Roosevelt Primary School. Residents will vote on the proposed bond Feb. 28.
Robert Bokram, treasurer of Citizens for Quality Schools — a group that has been advocating for the bond — spoke as did Tom Gagne, who has written editorials against the proposed bond.
Bokram said passing the bond would benefit students, help increase property values and represent a commitment to the future – all without raising the millage rate. Gagne said the bond isn't focused on educating students and would be extending the millage in a district with declining enrollment that can't compete with surrounding districts, and doing so without plans or goals set for improving student test scores.
Student performance, past bond projects discussed
A main point of discussion Sunday revolved around whether the proposed bond projects would help to increase student achievement and test scores.
Regarding the infrastructure improvements proposed, Gagne asked: “Is that going to improve test scores? Bring new educational experiences? Lower administrative costs?
“I would rather our community focus on the results of what we are investing in.”
Bokram said it has been proven that when you invest in infrastructure, “you do help the community.” Investing in the right curriculum and technologies, he said, pointing out that technology improvements including wireless Internet access and smart boards are part of the bond, will help students and improve test scores.
“That would significantly enhance the ability of our children to learn,” he said.
Another discussion focused on previous bond projects – the proposed bond would extend the current bond issue beyond its scheduled expiration in 2023 to 2041 — and why the current needs weren't completed with that funding.
“We're back here again … and we're after the same things,” Gagne said, pointing out that asbestos removal was a planned project in the previous bond.
Bokram said that despite other bond projects being prioritized higher on the list in the past, he is glad the needs are being addressed now. “It's important,” he said.
The percentage of students coming in from different districts was also discussed, along with the number of Ferndale families sending their children to other districts.
“These are all our students … we want to educate them all,” Bokram said. As for families leaving the district, he said, “What a great opportunity to fix that problem by investing in the schools.”
But Gagne said the bond doesn't have a plan to address Ferndale schools losing those families. “It's not for new buildings, folks,” he said, referring to why he thinks families turn to other districts.
Gagne, a Ferndale resident, said after the forum that during the past few years, he has researched the bond issue extensively, looking for answers. “The numbers kept telling me that no, it doesn't make sense,” he said.
He said his children attend school in another district — a decision his family made in 2003 at the recommendation of one of his children's teachers, he said.
Other topics included bond project details and oversight. Residents can get information on this and more on the district website.
Forum guests react to presentations
Frank O'Donnell, a Ferndale resident and former school board president, said he supports the bond but was interested in some of the information brought forth by Gagne. “I don't think it nullified the need for the bond, but it was interesting,” he said. “I thought both of the speakers made their cases in a calm, rational way.”
Jim O'Donnell, president of the Ferndale library board, said he supports the bond. “It's certainly important to educate the public about the need for the bond,” he said. “I was glad to see people here because I support the bond. I certainly hope people come out to vote for it on February 28th.”
Jason Krzysiak, a Pleasant Ridge city commissioner, attended the forum and said he was glad to see so many residents involved in the issue. “I think it was great,” he said. “The more citizens have the opportunity to take part in events like this, it makes for better votes, a better election and better communities.”
Helen Weber of Ferndale said her mind was already made up before the forum, but she appreciated getting to hear both sides. “I thought that was a good thing,” she said. “Both presenters were prepared, just different perspectives.”
Citizens group pleased with turnout
Citizens for a Fair Ferndale, which does not take a position on the bond issue, hosted the forum to provide a safe, moderated environment where voters could gather the information they need to make an informed decision on the issue, the group's chairperson, Kat Bruner James, said last week.
Kelly Farrah, secretary of the group, said she was pleased with the turnout. “I'm always happy when the seats get filled,” she said.
She said even more residents are likely to get the information when the forum is broadcast on public access station WFRN-TV (Channel 10 on WOW, Channel 17 on Comcast, Channel 99 on AT&T U-verse). Broadcast times/dates are to be announced.
“I know that it'll get heard for sure,” she said.
The voter forum Sunday was the group's fourth voter forum focused exclusively on a ballot question.
For more information, call 248-515-7803 or visit fairferndale.org.
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Bradford Parks
6:04 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
I attended the debate on Sunday, and it's unfortunate that the moderator did not have the representatives discuss where their own children went to school. Mr. Gagne moved his children to Royal Oak schools shortly after the Ferndale district restructuring over 9 years ago. He is not a supporter of Ferndale schools, does not attend any school meetings, and was not part of the bond discussions throughout the summer. He is not interested in improving Ferndale schools, but in using the bond discussion to further his conservative political agenda.
I'm voting YES for the Ferndale schools bond initiative, because I believe in our schools and our students. I'm voting YES because I believe in supporting our community where we live and work and our chlidren grow. I urge you all the vote YES as well.
Tim Bencsik
8:40 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
That is because he knows a bad deal when he see's one! You must be a mind reader with a swami hat to tell what Mr. Gagne is thinking? Iwould ask you what the word "IMPROVE", because that is a vauge term, and realative to what you might be thinking. Plenty of Dictators use words; like Democracy, conciously using it because they know what the listener is thinking when they use it; but conciously thinking another thing while they are using it just to manipulate people! To say he is not concerned with improving Ferndale Schools is arrogant and uninformed, and bordering on ignorant. It also seems that being different than the masses of sheep, when you don't follow blindly the herd in Ferndale, you get called conservative?
Is there something wrong with being conservative and questioning with logic; being practical with other peoples money?
Tim Bencsik
9:03 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
One more thing wizzard! We are heading into what will be called the GREATEST DEPRESSION... You understand numbers so much; look at this! You have heard of the Housing Bubble? Well let me introduce you to the Dollar Bubble.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Sounds like to be, you are behaving with your own agenda LIBERAL?
EURO is Doomed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm3RQrfZ4x8&feature=related
FIAT EMPIRE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5232639329002339531#
Keep Watching
http://documentary.net/the-next-financial-crisis/
Money as Debt
http://www.americanpendulum.com/2011/08/money-as-debt-full-length-documentary/
Testimony before Congress facing down LIBERALS
http://www.dailymarkets.com/economy/2011/09/15/peter-schiffs-testimony-before-congress/
Melt UP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOjq1oww3FA
Ferndale Resident
9:15 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
Glad to hear so many people attended the forum! I'm anxiously awaiting when this will be on TV so I can review it myself.
I'll start off with the comment towards Mr. Gagne. Although I don't always agree with his views, he has every right to make a stand and be concerned about this bond. It's our taxpayer money that goes into it afterall, so I'd say it's okay to be leery about it, given how the last bond money was spent. Where he sends his child is his own decision and shouldn't have any bearing on whether or not his money should go toward a bond or not. Bringing up where his child goes, in my opinion, simply distracts people from the issue of the bond itself.
Mr. Parks, directed at you, I'm not sure if you have children in the district or not, but I implore you to look at it like this- we saw the last bond pass and a bunch of ridiculous stuff was purchased with our money. Previously, we saw the district reconstruct and
a bunch of families were displeased. Lately, we've seen the adult ed building close due to low enrollment, and we've seen cutbacks to the special education program. Why should we have faith in a district that is crumbling before our eyes? I admire your optimism, but I just don't see where it's coming from.
Tim Bencsik
10:44 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
"Bokram said passing the bond would benefit students, help increase property values."
“These are all our students … we want to educate them all,” Bokram said. As for families leaving the district, he said, “What a great opportunity to fix that problem by investing in the schools.”
BINGO....... Gagne asked: “Is that going to improve test scores? Bring new educational experiences? Lower administrative costs?
TOM, let Mr. Bokram put that in writting! Have him take out a insurance policy; and rate by how much our property value will increase and by when! Have him show, by how much our so call "CHILDREN"; if they are our children? will become so much more smarter, and by what standard if this is passed? Put that in writting, and if those standards are not met, Mr. Brokam can pay every single dollar back with intrest, plus a tiddy proffit to every current Ferndale resident for buying his deal....
Tim Bencsik
10:49 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
"Bokram said it has been proven that when you invest in infrastructure, “you do help the community.” Investing in the right curriculum and technologies, he said, pointing out that technology improvements including wireless Internet access and smart boards are part of the bond, will help students and improve test scores."
PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS MR. BOKRAM... DEFINE CURRICULUM, and how it will be followed and implimented... Sounds to me like our culture suffers from a parenting problem more than a educational problem. China currently spends one tenth of what we spend on education, and look who ownes the USA? They do simple math in their heads when we need a cash register to calculate; and even then they cannot get it right! So how are all these other so called tools you say will help?
Ardy
3:26 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
Tom Gagne was there to talk about why folks should not vote for the bond?
What group does he represent? Where is the famed "Watch Dog" group representive/s?
Mr. Gagne is far from the best person to speak on behalf of folks who are voting "No". While his household does pay taxes in the City, and therefore somehwhat of a stakeholder in all of this, as stated above he doesn't even send his kids to the district. He's certainly entitled to his opinion but you know the ole saying about opinions and a certain body part.
Because of this; I will be changing my position from a firm "No" to a firm "Yes".
Tim Bencsik
8:51 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
GAGNE IS RIGHT! THIS IS BS. My wife passed through the Detroit public school system, she speaks 5 languages and has a Masters of Finance, a Masters of Accounting and a few calsses away from a MBA.. If you want to learn you can! It is called drive and ambition to learn.
Mr. Gagne saw the issues of Ferndale schools a long time ago that exist now, and saw that he had to be a paren and move his kids out of a bad system... As is the same for many of my neighbors who ship their kids off to private schools now, out of Ferndale; so what and who are we left with?
"Bokram said passing the bond would benefit students, help increase property values and represent a commitment to the future – all without raising the millage rate. Gagne said the bond isn't focused on educating students and would be extending the millage in a district with declining enrollment that can't compete with surrounding districts, and doing so without plans or goals set for improving student test scores."
"A main point of discussion Sunday revolved around whether the proposed bond projects would help to increase student achievement and test scores."
Regarding the infrastructure improvements proposed, Gagne asked: “Is that going to improve test scores? Bring new educational experiences? Lower administrative costs?
Tim Bencsik
9:17 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
New Pledge of Allegiance"
Now I sit me down in school
Where praying is against the rule
For this great nation under God
Finds mention of Him very odd.
If scripture now the class recites,
It violates the Bill of Rights.
And anytime my head I bow
Becomes a Federal matter now.
Our hair can be purple, orange or green,
That's no offense; it's a freedom scene..
The law is specific, the law is precise.
Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.
For praying in a public hall
Might offend someone with no faith at all..
In silence alone we must meditate,
God's name is prohibited by the state.
We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,
And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks...
They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
To quote the Good Book makes me liable.
We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,
And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King.
It's 'inappropriate' to teach right from wrong,
We're taught that such 'judgments' do not belong..
We can get our condoms and birth controls,
Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles..
But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,
No word of God must reach this crowd.
It's scary here I must confess,
When chaos reigns the school's a mess.
So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
Should I be shot; My soul please take!
Amen
Tim Bencsik
4:05 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
Too Ardy! Who cares what you think? You have not said anything inteligent; just a bunch of biased Liberal babble and resentment of Mr. Gagne... More of a vendetta aginst the man for making a wise choice and moving his kids to a schol system he knows will be better for his kids! It is a free country still? THE USSA has still a chance of finding it's way back to the Constitution... If he is a doggie; what are you? At the very least, he makes a good san argument..... I'll be long gone, and you will be left with the wasteland of a town called Ferndale... LOL
Tim Bencsik
4:15 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats ....
yet they are stillPOOR.
"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up
by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man
by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage
by taking away people's initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them,
what they could and should do for themselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Tim Bencsik
4:15 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
10 Poorest Cities in America and how did it happen
City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level
1. Detroit , MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo , NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati , OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland , OH 27.0%
5. Miami , FL 26.9%
5. St. Louis , MO 26.8%
7. El Paso , TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee , WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia , PA 25.1%
10. Newark , NJ 24.2%
What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?
Detroit, MI
(1st on the poverty rate list)
hasn't elected a Republican mayor
since 1961
Buffalo, NY (2nd)
hasn't elected one since 1954
Cincinnati, OH -(3rd)
since 1984
Cleveland, OH -(4th)
since 1989
Miami, FL - (5th)
has never had a Republican mayor
St. Louis, MO - (6th)
since 1949
El Paso, TX - (7th)
has never had a Republican mayor
Milwaukee , WI -(8th)
since 1908
Philadelphia, PA -(9th)
since 1952
Newark, NJ -(10th)
since 1907
Einstein once said,
'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again
and expecting different results.'
Matthew Nowaczok
4:21 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
Tim - Wow you are a joy kill on this discussion by monopolizing the comments. I CARE what Ardy thinks as he/she is equally entitled to an opinion. Also, I encourage you to please run a spell check when discussing matters of education ("san argument" and "aginst"). Thanks!
Tim Bencsik
4:27 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
Sorry Ardy about the spelling.... To busy making a living and big fingers on a little key board sometimes is a challenge; especially when I have business on my mind.
I'm the 1% that pays for his own way.... How about you?
Matthew Nowaczok
4:24 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
Also, I am voting Yes to the Bond Proposal on the 28th. I do not have kids in the school district, however, believe that we as a community are only as strong as our weakest link! That said, I do not want to see our schools have facilities that make them undesirable and drive down property values overall.
Tim Bencsik
4:29 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
Town is tanking, no matter how you look at it! LOL
More flawed logic..... Just like the rest of the country.
Matthew Nowaczok
4:43 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
Tim - please don't make assumptions about what people do for a living based upon comments. I am a tax accountant/cpa. Sadly, I am still not in the 1% of income earners, however, believe that paying more for top-notch services and schools here in Ferndale is of the utmost importance. If you value quality schools that help to ensure your property values don't decline more dramatically - I encourage you to vote YES on the 28th! I too need to get back to work. I look forward to your reply!
Tim Bencsik
5:00 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
Let's call this the FERNDALE LOST CAUSE! If you are a CPA, do some accounting and dispute Mr. Gagne.. Gagne, a Ferndale resident, said after the forum that during the past few years, he has researched the bond issue extensively, looking for answers. “The numbers kept telling me that no, it doesn't make sense,”
I think you will come to understand him? That is being accountable!
Ferndale Resident
5:01 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
You have an interesting point about a town being only as strong as its weakest point, and it's a point I hadn't really considered before. Let's assume this bond passes and the schools get these new kitchens and the asbestos is removed. Do you happen to know offhand how much that would affect property values? Further, what's to stop the district from asking for even more money later? As much as our schools are our weakest link right now, I worry about us being able to physically afford pulling them up. Looking forward to your reply!
Also, I feel as though I should say that those of us currently leaning towards "No" aren't all like Tim here- I, for one, don't rant.
Tim Bencsik
6:30 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
Dear Mr. CPA,
"What does it say for the district when 46% (nearly half) of it's students don't live in the district (1,205 from DETROIT) and nearly one-third of in-district students don't attend Ferndale Public Schools?"
Why should the board obligate taxpayers to a $23 million dollar bond when area property values barely cover $13 million?
Oh, and a school superintendent making over $200,000.00?
By Tom Gagne
FROM FERNDALE FRIENDS of February/March 2012
I think there is more to it than just your property value? Ya THINK? LOL
Tim Bencsik
9:32 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
Dear Mr. CPA,
If a school Superintendant makes over $200,000.00 per year, and the bond goes from 2012 to 2033; that is 18 more years, am I right? What is $200k X 21 years? Is that not $4.2 Million Dollars in salary? On the conservative side not including other benefits??? I would say that's a fairly good deal to push? Would you not agree?
Ah yes, LIBERALISM at it's finest... Nothing like a Union JOB? Hope and Change?
But remember, it for our KIDS as Mr. Bokram said... Certainly not my Kids though, coming from a culture who has coined the phrase, "My Babies Daddy."
Welcome to Former Mayor Coveys Palmer Park! AKA, "THE NEW PALMER PARK
Matthew Nowaczok
10:50 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
Tim - you are welcome to vote no on this proposal, however, I find your personal attacks distasteful and immature. To answer your comments above:
1.) first comment - citing the comments of Tom Gagne is not a source. Tom is thoughtful in his opinions, however, they are just that....opinions.
2.) second comment - I am a firm believer that you need to pay for talent. I am sure that the School Board conducted a comprehensive compensation review of the Superintendent that was benchmarked against other individuals in similar positions in the area. I think you may need to double check but I am pretty sure that Gary is not a member of a Union. I will look into that and let you know.
By the way – why are you making this a political issue associated with parties as you have no clue as to any of our party affiliations?
I hope this was reasoned…I anticipate a response which is not…
Best regards,
Matt Nowaczok
Tim Bencsik
4:48 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
Dear Sir, Then you understand Counterparty Risk? Or maybe that is more of a Finance degree term? I hear your concern, and you seem inteligent; then I recomend you have a little talk with Mr. Gagne! He too is highly inteligent, and would make for a better informed conversation. Having said that; I know trouble when I see it, and this is it!
Tim Bencsik
5:10 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
Dear Ferndale Resident, I got you going though! And for the record, I use my name.
But you too have some good points, and that hits the nail on the head....
It is a can of worms, and once opened will be the nail in the Ferndale Coffin!
And ranting vs stiring debate are two different things!
Thanks
Matthew Nowaczok
5:33 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
Ferndale Resident - I encourage you to look at the following website -
http://www.michigan.gov/treasury/0,4679,7-121-1753_56435_56443---,00.html
1.) Do you happen to know offhand how much that would affect property values? - I have no clue and don't really think that this can be quantified. I think it is a safe assumption that schools with greater amenities attract more families and that the more families attracted to the area help to increase property values.
2.) What's to stop the district from asking for even more money later? - I think they can continue to ask for money, however, will be severely limited in bonding capacity (the amount that can be requested to borrow). There is a formula for how much can be borrowed that is partially based on home values within the area. How this exact formula works I am uncertain but definetly know that home values have decreased state-wide over the last few years! I think that is why the school board is asking for this bond now as with better planning they would definetly not have done it during the Republican Primary!
I am voting YES as to provide all of these new amenities and to have an asbestos free highschool, I will not have to part with anymore money a month then I currently do! Just my thoughts though....
Tim Bencsik
7:01 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
Watch and learn:
http://www.brotherjohnf.com/uncategorized/cpac-2012-peter-schiff/
Robert Bokram
10:27 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Nicely argued Matt. Typically, investing in infrastructure and educating students are two separate discussions, unless politically convenient to try to connect to two subjects. However, when infrastructure investments include technology improvements, the two issues intersect and deserve to be considered as to whether this can help improve student grades and test scores. For anyone with kids, we know they are naturally fluent in the use of technology and actively engage with it. Putting tools in the school environment that they are comfortable with, arguably will help facilitate and accelerate the rate at which they learn new concepts (for those with kids...think Leapfrog). For Gagne to argue that these investments won't help improve test scores has more to do with his point of view towards the district than anything else, in my opinion. To say that the district doesn't have a plan to improve test scores is to impune the hard work that our district teachers and administrators put in every day. If Gagne doesn't see a plan for educational improvement, it's because he's not involved in any of the BOE committees, any of the various district meetings, any of the parent organizations. This is one of the problems with the type of forum that CFF hosts. Each side can spout any "facts" they want, without the direct rebuttal threat from the opposing point of view. Fortunately, I have faith that the intelligence of the voters will prevail and they will vote YES on Feb 28th
Thomas Gagne
8:22 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
"Each side can spout any 'facts' they want, without the direct rebuttal threat from the opposing point of view."
Mr. Bokram, You just spent 245 words and didn't include any facts.
Folks that wish to dispute the facts are welcome to visit http://tggagne.blogspot.com/.
Or, we can behave like many Detroiters do, telling outsiders they don't understand our city, don't understand our schools, shouldn't pay attention to the statistics, and just give us more money because we know what to do with it.
Only 20% of Ferndale High school students can score at least a 22 on the math portion of the ACT, while 35% and 44% do in Royal Oak and Berkley. Is the "steady-as-she-goes" crowd confident only 1-in-5 students will need math in their careers?
Is it Citizens for Quality Schools' belief that Ferndale K-12 academic performance is acceptable? Is it CfQS' belief that 20% is basically the best our community's kids can do? Is if CfQS' belief that the sheen of our buildings attracts homebuyers and not the performance of our students?
If it is, then I misunderstood what the "Quality Schools" meant in the group's name. I thought it was for quality results, but actually it only means quality buildings, quality accouterments, and strong WiFi hot spots.
CfQS is selling tickets on a cruise ship and as long as the guests are entertained they shouldn't pay attention to the big rock off starboard.
Greg Pawlica
7:09 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
I don't care about "who" is for "what". If you are not part of the solution, then you're a part of the problem. Sitting on the side lines...you're a part of the problem. In today's society and economy, we can't just sit by and expect someone else to fix the problem...regardless of who caused the problem in the first place. I don't have kids in school, but I know the value of an education. If you don't want to support the bond...fine. But, don't come back and complain that buildings in the school district are falling apart and our graduating students can't function in college because they were never exposed to tools and technology in high school...so they become college dropouts. If you're going to vote no on the bond, then I am sure we can all expect that you'll become a volunteer at one of the schools...doing the repairs to keep our buildins operational...or better yet, you'll run for the school board and become a responsible citizen. Put your self in where you refuse to put your money.
Tim Bencsik
7:27 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
GOOD POINT! "Commintment to University High and Taft are truly in the intrest of education or in the intrest of proffits. It would help residents better understand why the school district turns a deaf ear to residents complaining of vandalism, recless driving, loitering, and drug use near Taft." by Tom Gagne
And lets not forget shootings and car jackings??? Nor does it address transparency as Mr. Gagne points out!
So how are you going to be a solution Mr. Pawlica? Are you putting on your bullet proof vestand going over to Taft to be car jacked, robbed and assaulted and fix the place up? LOL
Robert Bokram
10:33 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
I keep thinking of the old adage......if you don't vote, you have no right to complain about the politicians who serve on your behalf. If you don't participate in the district's efforts to improve education (ie...your kids go to Royal Oak schools and you are not engaged in district organizations), you have no right to complain about the district. There....I said it.
Thomas Gagne
8:57 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
So, Mr. Bokram, is it your opinion then that the 54% (majority) of households in Ferndale shouldn't vote because they don't have kids at all, much less kids in the district?
Or is it your opinion that the parents of the 47% of kids that don't live in our district should vote for millages inside our district? That we should invite the parents of the 1205 students from Detroit alone to vote for the millage because it will go to benefit their kids?
Is it also your opinion the only people allowed to vote are the ones drinking the Flavor-Aide and no one with an independent, objective, researched, data-supported opinion should be allowed?
Tim Bencsik
9:15 am on Tuesday, February 14, 2012
Reply too: Matthew Nowaczok
10:50 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
It's call ed sarcasm Matthew. And as the arbiter of good tast, I suppose you understand what selective perception is, but I doubt you do that?
1). As for mr. Gagne and oppinions, back at you! SELECTIVE PERCEPTION again! So that is a moot point!
2). As far as Union, you aparently have had nothing to do with the School Systems? And they never opperate with out one; and knowing several school superintendants, my observations are that he is, or has in some way been down that path? You cannot walk the gauntlet of school systems with out the right of passage? Right? Now, sometimes when they achieve management level, I guess deniability is plausable? Especially with such a ripe little deal going on. You might want to ask yourself what it is you are not being told? And you called him "GARY"? First name basis now? Hummm????
And the Paying for Tallent issue? Over $4.2 Million Dollars worth in the next 21 years. That's special! Have you ever considered comedy? Or should I ask what color is the sky in your world? How much actual life experience have you had? And did you pass the CPA exam on the first try? My wife passed on her first try, and did it without studying, working full time, caring for aging parents and doing charity for the poor!
My dear Mr. Matthew Nowaczok, there is a big difference between being rightous, and self rightous! Of being GULLIBLE! $23 Million worth of being gullible..
Tim Bencsik
9:42 am on Tuesday, February 14, 2012
Dear Mr. Matthew Nowaczok, LOL
Full-Time Police Officer Being Considered for Taft School, Ferndale Police Chief Says
http://ferndale.patch.com/articles/full-time-police-officer-being-considered-for-taft-school-ferndale-police-chief-says
Tim Bencsik
9:54 am on Tuesday, February 14, 2012
DEAR MR.Matthew Nowaczok,
http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2012/02/07/news/doc4f318539f305b595236592.txt?viewmode=fullstory
"Serious crime reports at Taft Education Center last year were nearly 400 percent higher than in 2001, a year before it opened as an adult education school.
The Ferndale school district runs Taft, 427 Allen, and makes a profit. About 350 adult education students attend classes at the school, which is in a former neighborhood elementary school surrounded by houses and a city park.
Crime statistics obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show the school is often a violent and dangerous place, despite the best efforts of police and staff members at the building."
"Bokram said that despite other bond projects being prioritized higher on the list in the past, he is glad the needs are being addressed now. “It's important,” he said.
The percentage of students coming in from different districts was also discussed, along with the number of Ferndale families sending their children to other districts.
“These are all our students … we want to educate them all,” Bokram said. As for families leaving the district, he said, “What a great opportunity to fix that problem by investing in the schools.”
Robert Bokram
10:42 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Ahhh ....statistics.....the last refug
e for those without facts. 400%: correct. Do you know how many incidents that is.....no you don't. Well, it's 20. It went from 5 to 20. Not exactly a crime wave, but it sounds dramatic. Oh, by the way....FHS had 70 in the same period. I don't hear a peek about that....Have you checked the crime statistics for other school districts......no. Surprise....their similar !
Matthew Nowaczok
3:00 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012
Tim - your nonsensible comments have exhausted me...you win!
Tim Bencsik
3:51 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012
Sorry to hear that! But itis not about me wining. It's about responding to a reallity that is there! You of all people should know to think critically, and question numbers. As well look deeper into the situation; and not passing judgement on Mr. Gagne; as he was justified by the post on crime.. I don't want to make you loose either; because the fact is we both want the same thing! A safe school, and a safe community, and a thriving and healthy area to live in... But experience and ideals are two different things; and as much as you may think it is right, it is all wrong. Fundamentals of culture and socio economic values are clashing. Reality is, crime is rising and it will only scare more of us away; as will poor judgement and higher taxes with declining property values... I call it REALISM.. What is nonsensible about the fact? "Crime statistics obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show the school is often a violent and dangerous place, despite the best efforts of police and staff members at the building."
There goes your property value.......... Sorry, I wish it was different, and it is not going to get better! And this is why people are leaving! "Bokram said. As for families leaving the district, he said, “What a great opportunity to fix that problem by investing in the schools.”
Tim Bencsik
4:18 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012
Matt, One more thing, I have lived this situation before. As too, my MINORITY wife, who was raised in DETROIT. I imagine, this is how many people felt back in the day, as they packed up their things and moved to Oakland County; as all the business was being driven out of Detroit? Just like the economy or Detroit, it is happening again right here... The first stages of the Greatest Depression and Flight from Ferndale are like history repeating it's self again. It's a lost cause you cannot fight and win...
Read what Mayor Covey had to say about Palmer Park.......
http://www2.metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=10562
Take Care
Tim Bencsik
10:26 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012
Mr. CPA,
But REMEMBER... Do it for the KIDS! Oh and the property value. just ask the residents there! LOL
Crime numbers
"Police runs for serious crimes at the school or houses within 500 feet over the last eight years average about 30 per year. About two-thirds of those crimes happen at the school and include weapons, robberies, drugs, intimidation, threats, thefts, assaults, and even a sexual assault with penetration in Nov. 2010."
http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2012/02/07/news/doc4f318539f305b595236592.txt?viewmode=fullstory
Tim Bencsik
5:13 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
“When you see the students walking up and down the street you wonder who is carrying a gun and who isn’t,” said David Jozefiak, a 30-year-old financial adviser who lives across the street from the school with his wife and 18-month-old twins. “You don’t want people getting shot across from your house. We’d like to see the school shut down.”
http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2012/02/07/news/doc4f318539f305b595236592.txt?viewmode=fullstory
Tim Bencsik
5:22 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
If organized religion is the opium of the masses, then disorganized religion is the marijuana of the lunatic fringe.
Kerry Thornley
Tim Bencsik
5:33 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Robert Bokram
10:42 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Ahhh ....statistics.....the last refug
e for those without facts. 400%: correct. Do you know how many incidents that is.....no you don't.
How sympathetic to the community Mr. B? I don't know about you, but one penetration is enough, one shooting is enough for me, one car jacking is enough for me, assaults, intimidation, thefts drugs and loitering are enough for me.
"About two-thirds of those crimes happen at the school and include weapons, robberies, drugs, intimidation, threats, thefts, assaults, and even a sexual assault with penetration in Nov. 2010.
http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2012/02/07/news/doc4f318539f305b595236592.txt?viewmode=fullstory
Tim Bencsik
5:44 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
ONE MORE TIME MR. B....
Crime numbers
"Police runs for serious crimes at the school or houses within 500 feet over the last eight years average about 30 per year. About two-thirds of those crimes happen at the school and include weapons, robberies, drugs, intimidation, threats, thefts, assaults, and even a sexual assault with penetration in Nov. 2010." That's 2010...
Wonder why people are pulling their kids out and leaving???? No you don't? It's called CRIME! I say let the school system take a hair cut; and start with the $200,000.00 plus man himself; if he cares so much for the kids? Cut the superintendants salary; just as they have cut the police who make all these crime runs at tax payer expense! Obligating to tax payers till 2033. That's a long time, and so much can change in that period.. But maybe Mr. B can read the future? Why maybe he is clairvoyant? He certainly knows so much about our future here in Ferndale? LOL
http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2012/02/07/news/doc4f318539f305b595236592.txt?viewmode=fullstory
Tim Bencsik
5:48 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Selective Perception Mr. B.......... Please help me and the residents understand why you are turning a deaf ear?.
It would help residents better understand why the school district turns a deaf ear to residents complaining of vandalism, recless driving, loitering, and drug use near Taft." by Tom Gagne
9milestyle
8:30 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Timmy, you do realize that you don't even pay taxes to the Ferndale School District, correct? You live in the Hazel Park District.
Tim Bencsik
6:41 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
I feel sorry for the next crime victim! I feel sorry for the Police officer who has to post duty and risk his life; his wife and children! I feel sorry for the people who live by this school, experiencing this social cancer with children like the Financial analysts with two little girls! When a crime does occure, we will know who to point the finger at! Mr. Robert Bokram? Maybe he would like to take out a 1 Million Dollar Life Insurance Policy for the Police Officer, just in case a situation occures like Officer Mason Samborski of Oak Park? Just to be a Good Samaritan for the benefit of his or her family?
Voting for this will be the second penetration... Ferndale Wake Up...
Tim Bencsik
8:08 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
DEAR Mr. Bokram! Or Mr. Gagne SHOW ME THE PROOF! Mr. Bokram, I notice you don't mind mixing issues; like property value and education? Bokram said: "Typically, investing in infrastructure and educating students are two separate discussions, unless politically convenient to try to connect to two subjects. However, when infrastructure investments include technology improvements, the two issues intersect and deserve to be considered as to whether this can help improve student grades and test scores. For anyone with kids, we know they are naturally fluent in the use of technology and actively engage with it. Putting tools in the school environment that they are comfortable with, arguably will help facilitate and accelerate the rate at which they learn new concepts (for those with kids...think Leapfrog). For Gagne to argue that these investments won't help improve test scores has more to do with his point of view towards the district than anything else, in my opinion. To say that the district doesn't have a plan to improve test scores is to impune the hard work that our district teachers and administrators put in every day."
Please don't make cowardice and hypocrisy a virtue?
Tim Bencsik
8:12 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Advantages of Government Employment
in the United States
Excerpt from
America's Protected Class:
The Excess Value of Public Employemnt
(1994)
According to the AFL-CIO, It is not uncommon that work done by public employees can be done for as much as 50 percent less in the private sector. (1)
The Advantages of Public Employment
Public employment involves a number of advantages not considered in determining compensation. These include:
(1) More generous paid fringe benefits. Public employees have more generous non-wage employer paid benefits than private sector employees (Table #1).
Table #1
Employer Paid Fringe Benefits as a
Percentage of Wages & Salaries: 1991
Paid Benefits Compared to Wages & Salaries Public Employee Advantage
Private Employees 19.0% 0.0%
State & Local Government Employees 24.5% 29.0%
FROM
http://www.publicpurpose.com/apcxv.htm
Tim Bencsik
8:22 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Robert Bokram
10:42 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012 Ahhh ....statistics.....the last refug
e for those without facts. 400%: correct".
Dear Sir, It is called responding to a reality that is there! I will not give you theories or rhetoric; I will not sell a fairy tail of a idea!
The 1996–97 School Aid Act (P.A. 300 of 1996) permits students, for the first time, to attend school outside their home district. Before then, students who wished to attend a school in another district first had to obtain permission from their home district, which frequently was denied because with the student would go some state funding. Now, the home district has no say in the matter. Public Act 300 thus became Michigan’s first "schools of choice" law.
The new law does impose some limitations. First, it allows students to transfer only to districts within their own intermediate school district (ISD), usually corresponding roughly to county boundaries. Second, school districts may choose not to participate in schools of choice—that is, they can refuse to accept students from other districts.
Therefore, if students leave their current school, the school receives less state funding. This can have very serious consequences: for example, a district receiving per pupil revenue at the state average will forgo more than $163,725 if it loses 25 students. You see, it's all about money Mr Bokram? Is that your CHEESE? Maybe there is a different motive? Or maybe we should call you Saint Bokram?
Tim Bencsik
8:30 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
http://www.educationreport.org/pubs/mer/article.aspx?id=15569
Anjanette Stinson enrolled her three children in Hazel Park recently, telling the Tribune, “I’m going to need all the help I can get with tuition.”
School officials would like other parents to follow suit, not just because of the additional state funding that each student brings to the district, but also in hopes that families will move to the city and increase the tax base, they told the Tribune.
A committee raised $180,000 in private contributions to cover the 2012 costs and is now raising funds for 2013, the Tribune reported. In subsequent years, the program is expected to be allowed to capture a share of property tax funding as well, according to the Tribune.
Go forth and multiply, the state and city tax payer will pay the bill for you! Welcome to the land of FREE CHEESE... While you suffer and pay...?
Tim Bencsik
8:44 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Robert Bokram
10:33 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
I keep thinking of the old adage......if you don't vote, you have no right to complain about the politicians who serve on your behalf. If you don't participate in the district's efforts to improve education (ie...your kids go to Royal Oak schools and you are not engaged in district organizations), you have no right to complain about the district. There....I said it.
All this talk of freedom of choice Mr. Bokram, and being involved; I don't think you know Mr, Gagne? First question you should ask your self and these people is, why did he take his kids out of Ferndale? You know, actually ask someone intelligent? Ask some one who can think independently beyond short declaritive sentences! If you really cared about the kids and wanted to truly improve things, especially Ferndale?? I would say, Mr. Gagne exercised his good judgement, and stayed with in his rights as a parent and tax payer?
Will it be Saint Bokram? Or BS Bokram?
Tim Bencsik
8:49 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Dear Mr. Bob Bokram, I am calling you and Mr. Gagne out on this issue! You started this; lets make the public informed... Forum is right here, right now...
There I said it! Who has the guts to tell it like it really is... ? Yoo Hoo,, Here it is; come out, come out, where ever you are?
Tim Bencsik
11:37 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Dear Mr. Bob Bokram, you bring up the issue of voting for politicians; implying we get what we ask for? Here, I said it!
Quotes From Craig Covey
10:13 am on Sunday, November 6, 2011
While I disagree with many positions that Sean House takes, I applaud his being involved. He does represent people in the city, albeit conservatives and Republicans are in the minority. Questions about using paid consultants was very relevant, our city has spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on them over the past few years when some staff could have done the job.
FROM:
http://ferndale.patch.com/articles/consultants-may-have-a-hard-time-landing-jobs-in-ferndale-government
Tim Bencsik
11:38 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Mr. Bokram,
Ferndale traditionally had a relatively large number of employees, and Covey said it was clear that couldn’t go on, given the steady decline of the domestic auto industry, periodic recessions and other factors that struck southeastern Michigan hard. For example, he noted that the city had always had a sizable police force, but the fact was that it was a “Cadillac” department when Ferndale was only going to be able to afford a “Chevy” force. Reductions were sometimes controversial, but necessary.
“We knew we had to start the process of cutting and trimming the city budget, because 10 years ago we saw what was coming,” he said. “The recession just didn’t pop up. The council members took early action and it got Ferndale in better shape.”
FROM:
http://ferndale.patch.com/articles/mayor-no-more-craig-covey-sworn-in-as-25th-district-county-commissioner.
Mr. Bokram, have you noticed the wanted posters at 7-11, or read the Vol,.9 No7 Feb 15, 2012 Woodward Talk on Crime yet?
POLICE ARE PAID BY TAXES, AND WE HAVE TO ALLOCATE THEM AT OUR EXPENSE TO THIS SCHOOL?
Tim Bencsik
11:43 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Mr. Bokram, (AKA) SWAMI BOKRAM,
you said our property values will increase if we do this proposal.
Since it extends into the future so much, too 2033; and I think now way beyond that if I am not wrong?
By how much is my property going to increase, and by when? SWAMI BOKRAM
And that does not bring in the issue of crime escalation?
Tim Bencsik
11:50 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
SWAMI BOKRAM,
Is that Asbestos a imediate threat? If so, what are those schools doing being open? You are then putting people at risk? What data do you have on this? And if nothing, why? With the forcast for future housing slumps, and less tax dollars and a slugish economy, would it not be wise to wait and see what happens? Politically speaking?
Asbestos materials that remain undisturbed and intact will pose no immediate hazard. It is only when the asbestos is rendered “friable” that it becomes considered a hazard. Asbestos becomes friable when the fibers are situated within an aged or damaged compound and so could possibly be released into the air. Friable asbestos materials must be removed and disposed of properly, in accordance with any applicable local and state regulations.
http://asbestosremovaladvice.com/
Tim Bencsik
1:29 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Dear Swamie Robert Bokram, Olly olly oxen free! Is a catchphrase used in such children's games as hide and seek to indicate that players who are hiding can come out into the open without losing the game, that the position of the sides in a game has changed (as in which side is in the field or which side is at bat or "up" in baseball or kickball), or, alternatively, that the game is entirely over. It is thought to derive from the phrase "All ye, all ye 'outs' in free;" in other words: all who are "out" may come in without penalty. Or are you going to make cowardice and hypocrisy a virtue?
Tim Bencsik
3:00 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Dear Mr. Rober Bokram,
The lack of patience, persistance and disipline will bring down a school system faster than anything else. What we need to return to is a culture that use to be able to do simple math in their head and return to a system of values where there is a eradication of the culture who coins the phrase "My Babies Daddy". Explain to me how stoping of a crumbling of a building, and the decaying values and morals of a society of people, if there is no parental support in the home to support educational values! All at the expense of others who foster accountability, responsibility and shoulder their own burdens.... Don't make babies you cannot afford.. I'll give you hope, use a condom.. This is the land of oppertunity, go look for it. Don't expect it to be handed to you!
Mr. Rober Bokram, I expect you to reply!!!! As far as the crime issue; can you afford the kind of arrogance to put more people at risk? Remember the Dollar Store...
Tim Bencsik
5:06 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
All this was inspired by the principle--which is quite true within itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.
—Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X[1]
Tim Bencsik
5:09 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”
Quote from Budda
Tim Bencsik
5:12 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
Serving the status quo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IROHnRJzoCE&feature=related
Tim Bencsik
5:46 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity.
Harlan Ellison (1934 - )
Erik Roberts
7:57 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I will be voting yes... the use of SmartBoards will benefit the kids in the district (specifically my daughter AND my son when he is of age)....They are a huge resource
Tim Bencsik
11:57 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
If anyone uses being poor as the excuse, then you will never get out of the problem; because you are then the problem! You will always be poor! The problemis inflation, and money printing. Teachers, and politicians are not business savy, they have no clue if finances. Raising taxes, is just one more reason our economy will tank; the same old thinking that has caused this whole mess world wide.. 2013-2015. The GREATEST DEPRESSION.. You have to know how to manage debt, and if you don't, debt manages you! PROOF of inflation.. Look at food, gas, and everything else consumable... The cheep dollar is good for big business, but bad for the middle class and below; we pay more for goods... We loose, because what we save is gobbled up in taxes and inflation... And who exactly are all these kids in the district? And understandably, reading writting and arithmetic are important; not sure how a smartboard is going to make a kid smarter? Just wondering?
Tim Bencsik
10:37 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
DEBT BUBBLE
Soon everyone will have GREEN wallpaper
http://www.debtmoneyisdead.com/the-dollar-bubble/
Tim Bencsik
9:55 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Dear Mr. Roberts,
Oh, One more thing! You sound like a wonderful guy and a responsible parrent! Good for you... More people should be more like you! We are all called to one common human vocation, and that is raising a well adjusted humanbing, that is living, learning and being a decent citizen contributing to society! I am sure your son will do fine!
Tim Bencsik
1:29 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
■State and local governments (including public school districts) have not really done anything to cope with the more than $1 trillion in unfunded retirement liabilities.
■ I have not seen the prices of any food products or gasoline drop by 30% this week! In fact, worldwide food costs are rising at a faster pace this year than ever before!
■ The US government is faced with an impossible resolution of its inflation of the money supply (also called Quantitative Easing 2) ■The jobs market continues to be horrible. As I understand it, the US needs to create 115,000 new jobs every month so that the rising population’s unemployment rate will be unchanged. Even if the Bureau of Labor Statistics reports a higher number of jobs, you have to back out this figure and also the number of double counted new jobs attributable to the birth/death adjustment. ■Residential housing prices have now declined lower than the so called market bottom in March 2009. In fact, the latest Case- Schiller report today said residential prices are at their lowest average levels in eight years! (I do not consider the Case- Schiller Index to be valid as excludes the selling prices of bank -owned properties, thus overstating average real estate prices.) Don’t be surprised of home prices continue to fall. http://www.coinweek.com/bullion-report/gold-and-silver-prices-clobbered-repeatedly-hit-bottom-start-to-recover/
Tim Bencsik
5:46 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
ASK THE SWAMI
Dear Swami Bokram,
You said: "Bokram said passing the bond would benefit students, help increase property values and represent a commitment to the future".
y question to you is: By when will this improve my property value? By how much will this improve my property value? How will this improve our comunitys students; and I mean the actual tax paying students? And how will it attract the leaving Ferndale Resident studends due to crime, viloence and drugs?
Since you are monitoring this issue, I expect you will use the gift of clairvoyance to predict these answers? Oh, and what type of crime is next at Taft, and by when will it occure? Will it be a stabing, will it be a rape or "penetration"? Or will it be a robbery? Will it be gang related violence like the VFW Hall in Ferndale?
Please advise!
Tim Bencsik
6:11 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
ASK THE SWAMI
Dear Swami, You said: "Bokram said passing the bond would benefit students, help increase property values and represent a commitment to the future – all without raising the millage rate."
So Swami Bokram, Where does this money magically come from? Who pays for this? Do you have a money prining press like the United States of America/federal reserve?
What is your answer? I am waiting!
Please Advise!
Tim Bencsik
12:42 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
ASK THE SWAMI
Dear Rober Bokram, It seems odd that you do not reply now? Is you posision so week, that it cannot withstand debate? Or are playing politics, and in the filth of conspiracy? This is "YOUR" forum; it seems remise upon you to ignore such a public debate about spending almost $23 Million Dollars of tax money? And estimated now in excess if I am not wrong? That is, unless you are getting a loan from CHINA? Or are you playing Robbin Hood; robbing from the rich to make more poor people?
This is about integrity, is it not? About setting a example for society to follow? Come on Caped Crusader, show us the champion of Truth and Justice that you are? We all know you are watching? Or maybe you are not really on top of things and facts when you debate; only usining peoples emotions to manipulate them and propel them twards a goal you see fit, and others may not? If so, you deny people their human essence, and treat them as objects with out wills of their own? Either way, you have been challenged!
Tim Bencsik
5:46 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
ASK THE SWAMI
"Bokram said that despite other bond projects being prioritized higher on the list in the past, he is glad the needs are being addressed now. “It's important,” he said.
The percentage of students coming in from different districts was also discussed, along with the number of Ferndale families sending their children to other districts.
“These are all our students … we want to educate them all,” Bokram said. As for families leaving the district, he said, “What a great opportunity to fix that problem by investing in the schools.”
Dear SWAMI Bokram, have you ever asked Mr. Gagne why he took his children out of Ferndale? Has it ever made you wonder why others choose to do the same, and asked them why? Have you ever wondered why the system of teaching proper English is failing?
Now this is my favorit comment SWAMI Robert Bokram
"all without raising the millage rate". Welcome to Oz. Where is my Ompa Lompa?
Tim Bencsik
5:56 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
ASK THE SWAMI
Dear SWAMI Robert Bokram, still waiting for my property value prediction....?
And boy oh boy, I sure hope ther will be no more penetration over at Taft? Because you "SWAMI Robert Bokram sure are going to look stupid? And that is a best case senario? What if there is gang activity, shootings, or that a police officer get's hurt, all because you wanted to gamble with our money and our civil servants.
I asked the same question to Mayor covey in so many words during the police cuts! Shortly after, we had the DOLLAR STORE MURDER! Can you really affort that kind of arrogance SWAMI Robert Bokram? Thats like gambling with the children in the area? Remember the guy with two little girls? What about their safety? Go ask their father how he feels!
Erik Roberts
6:49 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
Mr. Bencsik-
What in the Sam Hill are you talking about? I comment about Smartboards being beneficial and you rant about "If anyone uses being poor as the excuse, then you will never get out of the problem; because you are then the problem! You will always be poor!" Wild and confusing! The children today are very tech savvy...Smartboards engage them. They are comfortable with them AND excited about them...the days of chalkboards are done. Anything that will engage, encourage and excite students is a bonus. Stay on topic...please
Tim Bencsik
7:07 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
$22.8 Million Bond for Smartboards.... That sounds smart? Sounds like a deal?
What is it, 47% of the kids are not even from Ferndale? I think that's the topic too; as well necessity and affordability? Have you not heard, we have some of the highest taxes in the county?
If you want a smart board, have the parent invest in one! If they are so concerned about their children, you buy it for your kid! Maybe sacrifice the bling and smokes for a day or two? Or better yet, use a condom if you cannot afford to pay your way as a parrent?
Tim Bencsik
8:32 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
It's about fiscal responsibility! What is coming in this economy is ECON 101 for Dummies. It's all a can of worms; and we barely have enough police! Time to make due and be creative; you know, how the Founding Fathers did? There was no welfare back then, you rise and fall on your own efforts... When did you see anyone value something just given to them? MORAL HAZARD all over this...
And you will see how this effects your life very soon.....
Gas Price Hike: Expect $4 a Gallon—or Perhaps $6—By Spring
Read more: http://moneyland.time.com/2012/02/06/gas-price-hike-expect-4-a-gallon-or-perhaps-6-by-spring/#ixzz1myY8P3qw
Erik Roberts
8:52 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
You sir are making some incredible assumptions.. "Maybe sacrifice the bling and smokes for a day" I don't smoke nor do I have bling...My wedding ring cost me $25 and love every dollar of it and that is the extent of my "bling". Nor have I ever claimed I was poor...who are you speaking to and about? I do understand WE pay some of the highest taxes but we also have some of the best services from my experience. By the way, I as a parent AM investing in a Smartboard by voting YES! Your attacks are immature and sophomoric...stay classy
Tim Bencsik
9:25 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Mr. Roberst, You have every right to vote YES! You have every right to comment!
As for the bling or smokes, I am refering to parents who can afford to buy things other than direct theirv efforts into raising their own children and financing them.
Good for you, you can afford things; then I welcome you to take the first step in refusing to being part of the dysfunctional system that has failed us, by purchasing your own smart board for your own kids? Maybe make donations for others who can't if you wish? Rather than shifting it on to society and a Nanny State? I have found that when you work for something, you respect it a whole lot more? In my day, my mother packed a lunch for me; there were no free lunches! When I needed a calculator, I worked for it; and took care of it! And you have to question teachers creativity, when one has to rely on a gadget?
As for other issues, well they all need to be questioned. But it is a free country?
Tim Bencsik
9:27 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
For the record: I am not against education, just I am against paying for others education!
http://www.classroom20.com/forum/topics/smartboard-or-promethean
Permalink Reply by Judith Epcke on March 11, 2009 at 7:04pm
I must respectfully disagree with you Arlene that IWBs are "are better in primary grades". We have implemented Prometheans at our Jr High and have mobile ones in our elementary school. Due to my position, I have observed their use at all grade levels and don't see a marked difference in engagement of the students. Regardless of the grade level, the students LOVE the board. Many teachers have implemented the use of the Activotes (aka: voters or clickers). Again, at all grade levels, they are a hit. We have not seen a large amount of use of the slates. Our teachers are frequently 'away from the board' with students manipulating the flipchart.
Here is a great piece talking about Marzano's take on IWBs from the recent CUE conference in Palm Springs, CA: http://iwbrevolution.ning.com/forum/topics/robert-marzano-and-inter...
Easydude
4:02 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012
My concern and a no vote...is the ever changing climate in our state government to take over public schools. Why would I want to vote yes for a millage increase and five years down the road. Ferndale Schools are taken over by a public charter school. I will be stuck paying a bill for the next 25 years. Taxes payers need to send a message to state government that we will not support a millage increase for charter schools. Are the residents across 8 Mile and Royal Oak Township helping with their fair share? Ferndale student population attending Royal Oak, Birmingham and other districts with the new laws...